Summary
Trump reportedly held up a digitally altered image of the hand of Kilmar Abrego Garcia, a Maryland man who was deported by the Trump administration, in an attempt to prove Garcia is a gang member.
Trump can be seen holding a printed-out photo… demonstrating that “MS-13” is tattooed across his knuckles.
“This is the hand of the man that the Democrats feel should be brought back,” Trump posted. However, many have pointed out that the image appears photoshopped.
“MS-13 looks like it was typed on the photo.” “Needing to have a photo doctored… is definitely something a psychopath would do.”
It’s nice to see Trump can learn and grow. It wasn’t that long ago when he would have just scribbled it with a sharpie. Anyway, it must really annoy Trump that thanks to Senator Van Hollen’s visit, where he proved he could do what Trump admitted that he himself could not, we now have unadulterated photos of Garcia’s hand without the shitty photoshop.
I really have to think at this point there’s some really heinous shit they’re doing while everyone hyperfocuses on this. It’s the only logical reason they’d keep up the charade after it’s been proven it’s absolute fucking bullshit.
At this point, the guy could be a rabid neonazi pedophile for all I care: he should still not have been deported without a trial. People are presumed innocent until proven guilty in court. Do your fucking job.
Why would a cop get deported?
That’s trump you’re thinking of
So umm… What’s the problem? Return. Prove it in a court of law. Due process for all. It doesn’t matter who the person is or what they’ve done. What matters is how the government acts.
The problem is that they are trying to do away with due process. They want to be able to throw anyone they want into a gulag in another country where they will disappear forever. They start with immigrants, claiming that they are gang members and terrorists. They are refusing to prove it because they want to set the precedent that they do not need to prove their claims. They start with alleged foreign gang members, then will come “homegrowns,” as Trump has called them.
If we don’t make them prove their claims now in a court of law, it’ll be that much harder to do it later, and they know it.
Ok, so what happened here is that police added letters to the photo explaining what each symbol means. Some idiots on twitter thought those added letters are the claimed MS-13 tattoo. It’s not clear if Trump also thought that those letters were actually tattooed, probably yes.
Bruh. So they went from M to S to 1 to 3? Instead of A to B to C … to 1 to 2 to 3?
No. Don’t try to muddy the waters and spread more supposition as fact. Trump has already been proven to alter images to fit his own internal incorrect narrative, just look at that hurricane path incident from his last term. All evidence and common sense points to someone digitally editing this picture in order to fabricate support for this man’s illegal deportation.
Even if. Have these people never heard of “ex gang members” I know a guy with gang tattoos who left the gang life 20 years ago. Should he suffer now because of his tattoos?
Well lets see, is he brown?
Even if that’s real, which doesn’t look like it, what’s keeping them from forcing Mr. Garcia onto a chair, hold him down, while they tattoo it?
This administration and their dictator allies have shown to have no constraints, no guardrails, time and time again. Consistently. You can always blindly trust them to bs and lie their way through anything.
You gonna tell me people who tried to stage Mr. Garcia sipping some Margaritas by a hotel pool wouldn’t stoop so low as to place fake tattoos on him? Yeah, that’s the thing with dishonesty - even if you tell the truth once it’s still gonna be called into question. The boy who cried wolf, and all that.
Can someone make a photo of trump holding up a photo of himseld with a MS-13 tatoo, plz?
They couldn’t use AI to doctor the image because everyone would instantly see the 7 fingers and laugh.
Does the shadow in the belly button match the shadow cast by the hand? Does he have an “outie”? Caveat: I’m not a Photoshop sleuth
Oh my god that looks so fake. The MS13 is so to clean and clear.
It’s more like Microsoft Paint…it doesn’t even look slightly real. That’s if it even is his hand.
It’s his hand. You can find other angles of it in the same article. It seems to me that the ms-13 edited onto his digits is meant to be a translation of the symbology of his tattoos:
Marijuana leaf = M
Smiley face = S
Cross = 1
Skull = 3
Is that an accurate representation of what his tattoos mean? I have no idea, I’m not an expert on gang symbology. Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t. The presence of a gang tattoo is something that could be submitted as evidence in court - which is a right the accused was never afforded.
What I am sure of, is that trump presented this information in such a vague manner so as to muddy the waters so he can come back later and claim his claims were misrepresented by the “lying, dishonest media” - which is itself dishonest.
It’s an inkblot test. His detractors will take the claim at face value, and his supporters will dig in and claim we’re stupid for not immediately taking his claims as gospel. He doesn’t care if his claims hold up in court. He only cares about the court of public opinion, and right now, he’s defining that conversation.
Why does “Cross = 1, Skull = 3”? I did my best to google it but every result is comments from posts made within the last day.
What I did find was this quote in https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-posts-image-kilmar-abrego-175852020.html :
“The four symbols – “Marijuana,” “Smiley,” “Cross” and “Skull” – have not been found in any law enforcement guidelines or manuals to stand in for MS-13 gang identification.”
There is nothing supporting it, MS-13 members tend to be pretty unafraid to get just MS-13 tatted on their bodies
I have no idea why. But I’m sure trump’s DOJ will be releasing new guidelines shortly that back up what their boss is saying, sans any provable evidence.
As it is just a photo of a hand, it could be anyones hand.
Anyone’s hand, presented by the man whose first column in the “customs tariff table” was a ridiculous lie made up of cooked numbers (trade deficit instead of tariff rate).
There’s no reason to put a grain of trust in him.
You need a hand? Heck, I’ll get you a hand by lunch.
Alright, I’ll take the bait. Let’s all assume he has an MS-13 tattoo. What does this change? The dude still gets his constitutional rights, and his day in court. On US soil.
And on top of all that, even if somehow you could justify foregoing due process, the dude STILL can’t legally be sent to El Salvador because of his withholding of removal to that country which I’m pretty sure is what the"administrative error" was that the white house admitted lol.
This is what they always do, get you arguing about something that doesn’t matter. Just eats up time and energy about nothing.
I think this whole Garcia deportation is part of that. It wasn’t supposed to in the beginning, but they’re cooking with what they have.
Instead of talking about how fucking insane it is to deporting people to a death camp without any due process. We’re now talking about how insane it is to deport someone who wasn’t “supposed” to be deported to a death camp, and then refuse to do the bare minimum to get him back.
They’ve made sure we ignore the hundreds of people getting removed with no sign of evidence against their crimes.
This is exactly it. They flood the stage with all sorts of distractions, and then run with whatever issue gets traction. While everyone is focused on this one guy, dozens of others with the same non-criminal background are forgotten about, because they have nobody to support them, or their family didn’t spot an identifying tattoo in a propaganda photo.
Eventually they’ll let this guy go, and everyone will celebrate, and the Nazis will act insulted, while secretly cebrating that dozens of equally innocent people will still endure life sentences in a torture prison for the crime of being born brown.
You just made my stomach hurt. Thanks. I’m glad you pointed this out to me and I wish I had been smart enough to see it for myself.
The goal is to use fear, hatred, bigotry etc as a means to normalize authoritarianism and the destruction of rights, in exchange for non-existent “security” and “protection”.
See terrorism and pedophilia.
Here’s a closeup of the image
A Nigerian prince puts more effort into fooling people.
OH, COME ON! That isn’t even a plausible fake. Couldn’t they find a third-grader to do a better job?
This is the HitlerPig 2.0 version of the hurricane weather map. I’m surprised he didn’t just scribble on the photo with a Sharpie.
There are five possibilities:
- Trump was given this as proof that the guy is really a gang member, didn’t ask if it was fake, presented it without vetting it
- Trump ordered someone to find proof that he’s in a gang and someone gave it to him as proof
- Trump ordered someone to create proof that he’s in a gang
- Trump was given this as proof, he asked if it was fake, and was told the truth, and presented it anyway
- Trump was given this as proof, asked if it was fake, was lied to, and presented it
All of these have problems.
Its sad that those are all legitimate possibilities
Somehow this seems like lower effort than a sharpie.
Wait, the letters are clearly digitally added on top of the photo, but aren’t they just used to label the tattoos on each finger?
Not that would change anything…
If they wanted to indicate a translation for the symbols, they could have done so off of the part of the image consisting of the hand. Trump said verbatim “he’s got MS-13 tattooed onto his knuckles”. Not symbols for MS-13, the phrase itself. Additionally, the real tattoos are clearly not on the knuckles, but the photoshopped letters are. Trump believes the photoshopped letters are actual tattoos and/or wants to convince people of it.
He should have used a sharpie. It would be more convincing than the pixelated font that doesn’t align wit the hand at all.
I have to think someone overlaid text on the photo to persuade people that the pictures on the fingers represented MS13, but Trump got the wrong end of the stick, made an idiot of himself in front of the media, and no one dared tell him he was a fucking moron.
This is 100% it. Still unacceptable to sit in the oval office and deny a man his rights like this, but if they wanted to doctor the images they have access to FAR more effective ways to generate a convincing photo… Trump is just a senile dumbfuck who didn’t understand what he was looking at.
Can you elaborate?
like (M)arijuana (S)miley …. then i suppose devils advocate could say cross is like a 1 and skull is a 3? though skull is more like an 8? but also totally not either so…
edit: after writing this I kept scrolling and others have posted similar things way before i did. So maybe that is the “official” line they’re going with.
edit2: guys, we’ve had it all wrong…
(W)eed, (D)ead, 4 (jezuz died 4 our zins) 0 (as in nothing, like no more, like… a skull.)
Based detective skills.
That doesn’t even qualify as a Photoshop. It should be called an “MS Paint”
“MS Paint? That sounds an awful lot like MS-13! Off to the El Salvador gulag with you, terrorist scum!”
Microsoft made Internet Explorer: MSIE. Turn the E around and it’s clearly a gang code. Can we send Microsoft to a gulag now? Windows 11 is also a crime against humanity.
I read that in Gloria Estefan’s voice;
Turn the E around, Microsoft confessin’
Turn it upside down,
also starts the bashin’.
Omfg I literally had to double check this was really what trump was holding up. “internet sleuth” my ass, a ten year old could point out how stupidly fake this is.
That was my first reaction, but apparently the letters were placed there to explain the tattoos “meaning”.
Supposedly:
Marijuana stands for M Smiley face stands for S Cross stands for 1 for some reason Skull stands for 3 for some reason
They forgot that:
- wouldn’t the text be in Spanish and not English?
- MS 13 hand members are proud of being in it, they put giant letters on their chests, backs, face, if he wanted to hide it, why even bother having a tattoos? Wouldn’t other gang members get upset that he is hiding it?
I also couldn’t find pictures of anyone else from MS13 who was using such cryptic tattoos.
Also with the interpretation is that you can literally assign any meaning to it for example:
- Pot
- Ecstatic
- “t”
- Afterlife
This shows that Abrego Garcia is actually an animal lover and supports PETA.
But this is beside the point. The problem is he had no due process, and wasn’t deported but human trafficked to a prison in 3rd world country.
If they have undeniable proof give it to the court and then either deport him or put him in US jail if he committed a crime.
