Are you Canadian? I have some Canadian friends and their vibe is mostly pity and offering to help if needed. I hope Canadians aren’t upset at Americans as a whole, and I generally don’t get that vibe. Obviously I only know Canadians that know me, so they’re predisposed to being nice to me lol.
Yea, I didn’t bother to futz with my settings to make it load, but just based off the headline I couldn’t imagine it being a paid article, but that tracks honestly. These people have no sense of decency or propriety. What happened to tact and shame lol. It’s gross.
Oh weird. I can’t get it to load fully so I can’t tell, but I don’t doubt it. I was just curious what company would possibly want their product associated with this.
If it makes you feel any better, it was mostly about hating people who were different ✨
The belief is that one should vote for a person or party because they align with your morals. They voted against their conscience because a whole host of people told them that not to would be to condemn even more. And so they voted to prolong a genocide and now they stand without conviction or protection for their allies they gave up those convictions for. Maybe to you voting is a box you check, but for a lot of people it is a statement of their morals and beliefs. That gun to their head they would not sell out their international comrades for luxuries at home. They sold out their neighbors to protect their family and someone is still coming for their family anyway. Say what you want about “harm reduction” but voting for genocide is voting for genocide. They did so and gained nothing except an inability to say they stood for something. Harris paraded around Liz and promised to be tough on immigration. Who was that for? It certainly was not to reassure leftists that she super secretly didn’t want to help murder people abroad.
Clearly we have very different understandings of the world. I’ve never seen a self proclaimed “proud democrat” at any actual level of organizing. Maybe the women’s march admittedly had a lot of democrats show up, but actual organizers that I engage with are self proclaimed leftist who “vote” democrat but do not identify as one. If a nonbinary person checks their assigned gender at birth on a form with just M/F, that doesn’t mean they align or self identify with that. It’s just the options they were presented with. M4A, the fight for a living wage, and LGBT rights have all been championed by leftists before liberals could get together enough to stop using racial slurs. I’ve been hearing “lib” from the left since obama was in office, but I checked and urban dictionary has an entry from 2005 attacking them from the left, claiming libs are defined as fake progressives who actually don’t care about leftist causes. That’s popular usage for at least two decades. Maybe there’s an age or geography difference that is the cause of this disconnect, but around me most refugee assistance is organized by anarchists and most food aid is organized by socialists. It’s not cliquelike, as there’s plenty of crossover, but what I don’t see is a large contingent of run of the mill democrats actually helping anyone. If you are so concerned about how leftists vote, go work with them wearing your I’m With Her merch. Let them see some libs actually doing something.
My point is that I know leftists who think the system is broken and corrupt and would have abstained or voted 3rd party as they have previously, and specifically did not in this election or in trumps previous elections. Literally nothing changed except they budged on their beliefs and got nothing in return. This idea that they should vote for dems because the alternative is fascism is terrible. The dems are bad and don’t care. It is pretty foolish to support them as a party. If you consider yourself a democrat, you probably are not a leftist. I’m registered democrat, I vote democrat, so do many of my friends, but that does not make us democrats or supporters of their party. So, yea, it’s possible that you’ve held or supported people who’ve held foolish or bigoted beliefs and if you’re proud of your support for them then I’m not sure you get to claim you’re not foolish or bigoted.
Dem senators in the 90s voted against gay marriage. Nancy pelosi and plenty of other dems do insider trading and refuse to allow legislation that would curb that to pass. Are those the dems you support? Who’s to know. These people are not your friends and don’t care about you. They may vote in ways that benefit you, or they may not. I’m not a democrat and I don’t support them because they don’t support me or my comrades. If you feel like they support you than you are indeed either a fool, or not left enough to really even want to be called a leftist. That’s fine if so, you can be a lib if that’s what you are, but leftists generally don’t “support” dems.
Not really sure what the sentiment is? That you should shame a small minority of people who you generally agree with whose decision did nothing to actually sway an election? You think that the Harris campaign was good and did what it should have to engage its base and draw in support? Do you believe that the non voting leftists were actually a large enough percentage to have an impact?
I scrolled a bit through your history and it took quite a bit to load far back (which is great, glad you’re engaging cuz Lemmy needs more comments/community) but I’ll take your word that you agree with them and said so previously. At least I can agree that harping on it does little actual good.
I commented directly to them, but just FYI, plenty of actual leftists did vote Harris. It was a whole thing. All this comment does is to demonstrate that this person does not engage with leftism IRL and Lemmy comments are their only window into actual activism.
It definitely does more harm than good, but not because it shames leftists that didn’t vote, it’s because it upsets people that did. Everyone I know voted Harris, just like they voted Clinton and they’re still being blamed for the loss. They are actual activists, so they’ll probably continue to vote out of harm reduction no matter what vitriol libs wanna spit, but it’s gross to see libs act like leftists (the ones actually on the ground fighting for the rights currently being taken), are the reason the election was lost. It was the Democratic Party and anyone blaming leftists and not the campaign (aka people who TOOK PEOPLES MONEY TO WIN) whose job it was to win, shows exactly the kind of person and #ally they are.
This will probably be the only thing that gets any response, and I know I don’t have to say it, but for transparency and solidarity: I legitimately have no hate towards leftists who didn’t vote. I disagree with them, but they made a decision based on values I generally agree with. We all have to live with the decisions we make and they made theirs. I do not personally know any. I know plenty of people who would not have voted if it was 70% Harris, and I would have been fine with that. I think a lot of people who didn’t vote probably didn’t think it would end up like this and would take it back if they could, but they had love in their hearts and couldn’t vote for someone actively murdering their family. It’s hard for me to want to mock them. I’m pro mocking Rs because they are full of hate for others, but I don’t know how anyone can be happy pointing and laughing at a Palestinian American who couldn’t stomach voting for someone responsible for the death of their family and friends and homeland. It’s not their job to make the Democratic Party viable. It’s the democrats job. They failed and now we all suffer. I don’t blame a single leftist nonvoter, of which there were absolutely not enough to do anything substantial regarding outcome.
Literally every leftist I know IRL voted Harris and seeing this comment over and over is absolutely hilarious. Either you think bots are real people, think it’s impossible to criticize democrats, think the democrats are not worth criticizing, or some combination of the above. The only thing I know for sure when I read comments like this is that you aren’t and do not know any leftists. What kind of activism are you actually engaging in? What brings you into contact with the community? Nothing, because if so you would know better.
Can I ask what context you hear it used in?
Just for reference: https://www.aarp.org/politics-society/government-elections/info-2024/post-election-poll.html
For no reason in particular.
You’re incorrect mostly because the postal service (pretty famously at least in leftist spaces) DID make money (not every year admittedly). In fact, by law (aka cuz capitalists got mad) the post office is expected to ensure pricing covers the cost of fulfillment so the market stays competitive. Arguably, the main reason it is facing difficulties is because the government tried to force some bs payments onto it that were reversed by Biden in 2022. Regardless, you’re kind of making my point? It really feels like people are not reading what I wrote. The argument that a government agency needs funding and therefore can’t be a source of cost cutting or revenue is a bad argument. Governments require money to function. If the agency costs money, saves money, or makes money, it doesn’t matter. At some point, money will need to be allocated to it, even if it’s just to start it up. Saying “it costs money so that a problem” doesn’t make sense as an argument, even if it’s used against doge.
For clarity: I AM PRO POST OFFICE AND ANTI DOGE.
I dislike doge just as much as the next person, but we all know this is not a good counterpoint and if used against dems we would ridicule it. You can’t just willy nilly move government funds around (legally, don’t get me started on all the illegal bs happening), so if doge is hiring people that are getting paid, the money needs to come from somewhere. That allocation would need to happen even if they WERE cutting billions in spending (they’re not). That is a good rule for governments to have. There are sooooo many reasons to dislike doge, but the fact that a government agency needs funds to run is not a problem. People have been complaining about the post office using similar rhetoric. Just because it costs money, doesn’t mean it’s not saving/making money.
For the record: DOGE AND TRUMP AND ELON ARE BAD
Thanks for your insight as an actual Canadian lol. We really are (and have been) trying to get this under control for years at this point. We appreciate you understanding that and seeing that at least it’s not all of us.
One of my Canadian friends parents have trump signs in their yard and they are Canadian and have never been American or even to America. It’s really crazy that this is happening so many places. At least we can hope that people see where it’s left us and start actually changing their minds for the better for their own country. What happened with Le Pen recently might have happened regardless, but after seeing what not punishing officials leads to, I hope other countries learn from our mistakes.
Good luck up there. I’m sorry this is where we are, but hopefully not for long.