I’ve explained what I’ve done in other replies to my comment. TLDR: connect with DSA and PSL in your local branch. Or find the best organization resisting ICE right now. Which may literally just be YOU if your area is small enough. And it that case you should be getting to know your neighbors and coworkers asap.
I’m not just rambling online. I’m literally here trying to get people to organize locally. That’s kinda the point of this thread.
I hear myself being critical of the politicians doing fuck all to bring material changes. But I guess if we fall further into fascism while liberals resist “enough” symbolically to make us feel better then I’m sure all the brown people that get disappeared to GITMO and ElSalvador will feel some graditiude to our support.
Do your hear yourself? Probably not.
I literally told you something effective to do. Which is what you asked. Or did you want me to point to a politician doing a “better” performative dance that you can follow and use as a reason to do nothing else in your own life?
Not sure if this comment is satire in the way I think or if you really are missing the point that the definition of “terrorism” is a flexible definition that western countries use to classify groups that (morally or not) resist US Imperialism.
Either way. You’re close to understanding “Blowback” to US Imperialism and I can respect that.
Not the right comment thread but thank you for participating in the downvotes with me.
I’m not an elected representative so the ways in which I do things are not in the ways I criticize them for not doing. That being said you can still do something.
Get organized with your neighbors and your coworkers to protect you and those around you from ICE. The best way to do this is forming tenant unions and workplace unions. Even if they are not officially recognized by either they are a great place to start getting to know your neighbors and coworkers better. Making sure they know their rights and helping to organize protection if one of you is targeted.
Work with organizing like PSL and DSA. They are both offering local outreach and ICE resistance. If they aren’t in your area look for an organization that is or look at starting a local branch.
It’s a lot more productive than gloating at a representative that’s bought and paid for by corporate money and lobying groups and pretending his publicity stunt is doing anything.
And not a single person listening needed to hear “what’s wrong”. Libs can’t just keep saying “look at how bad this is” and actually point to what their plan is to do something about it.
There is not a single person paying attention to this that had their mind changed on the topic of Trump or Elon. Seriously. We are exhausted with hearing libs tell us “these guys sure are bad” huh.
On the floor filibusters like this are THE definition of performative. Especially when it’s not meant to delay to do something like whip votes. Which this isn’t even doing.
Also, I’m pretty sure I could shup down Congress for a day with a convincing enough phone call.
Libs so excited to see anything. I’ll let them have this. Even though it’s performative at least it’s better than most “resistance” so far.
I mean we got the president admitting that he sent an innocent person to a maximum security prison in another country. Oh and he’s just like “yeah. Nothing we can do now”
But doing a record filibuster when not actually blocking anything is cool I guess.
Think of it less about nation states and more about where the concentration of capital is and it makes a lot more sense.
Yeah. At this point nothing short of an armed revolutionary takeover is gonna cause anything to move back. And that’s not happening either.
There is no “becoming a first world democracy again”. That ship has sailed. Fascism doesn’t have term limits. And we are in the thick of it now.
I think one thing the rest of the “first world democracies” missing is that the imperial core doesn’t just go Fascist alone. It drages the rest of you down with it. Dont get comfortable watching from a distance and shaking your head at the “silly Americans”. Your democracy’s are next.
Yes. But I think you underestimate passive acceptance. Half this country is not paying attention to anything that doesn’t directly damage their ability to eat and pay rent. If their social media algorithm doesn’t show them it then they basically have no idea and respond to surveys with the idea of “yeah, I don’t like criminals in the country”.
Normies dont disapprove of anything until they literally have it happen to their face. They’ll be passively accepting until the day they or someone they know gets a visit from ICE and disappear.
Well that didn’t take long. I literally said nothing would happen and it’s already not happening.
Absolutely. And it has my full support. But he won’t ever see any consequences. The system made to empower oligarchs isn’t going to somehow tear down Oligarchs. But they are still absolutely worth doing as a form of resistance. I just don’t yhink people should be naive to think that that is the only part of resistance. It’s simply a method of delay to give us more time to organize.
There is only one thing throughout history that has brought people in Elon’s class position to justice.
Won’t happen. While I think all this institutional resistance is good. All of the lawsuits and judge rulings should only be seen as a way meant to delay. Fascism is here. You don’t unravel it using the existing institutions and systems.
Delay and prepare. Learn who all your neighbors are. Make sure you can contact all of them quickly and that they can contact you. Your neighbors and your coworkers are who you should be organizing with. Talk to them. Find out who might be a target by ICE. Find out which one of them you can’t trust. And of course. Arm yourself.
Elons not getting arrested but we don’t have to let them arrest us either. If there is no justice for Elon we can’t allow anymore injustice to us.
Agreed. What point was she even trying to make? Hypocrisy? I swear to God liberals are more helpful to fascism than conservatives are at this point. Their “opposition” is so weak it has to be in bad faith.
Fascist don’t give a fuck about a liberals perception of hypocrisy. It’s like trying to debate lord your way out of a Nazi death camp just waiting for the fascist to concede to your “superior argument”.
The “debate lord” days are over. Fascist ideas won out. We need real material planning not these one liners. Even the right wing debate lords are dying out. No one wants to see Jordan Peterson “DESTROY a Liberal” anymore. Not even right wingers. They are much to happy watching Asmondgold cheer for deporting immigrants and bombing brown kids. The era of the “dumb guy” saying “well that’s just common sense” is upon us.
They are done listening to anything liberals have to say. They are far too distracted by enjoying watching “justice” happen to the people that the Democrats ALSO alienated the last election.
This is what no dialects does to liberals. They have no feedback between ideas and material conditions to even recognize the shift. They are still fighting like it’s 2008. We’ll decline further into fascism as they pretend like they are resisting it.
They had a chance to go a different route with Bernie and they completely blocked it. So now it’s too late. Even too late to take Bernie’s route.
/woosh I guess. Resistance to fascism can be called a “felony” too. They called Nelson Mendela, Malcom X, and MLK terrorist too. Maybe take some context for the people that control those definitions of what a “felony” or a “terrorist” are today. Because if you’re gonna keep listening to the definitions they use today then you would be better deciding first which side you’re on.