Why the fuck are people so obsessed with celebrities? Elect someone actually competent for the job. Idiots.
The competent people never get elected.
Unless they’re competent AND popular. Zelensky was a comedian before getting elected as well. Now he’s basically done the impossible and held his own against Russia despite overwhelming forces. Regardless of your political beliefs, a comedian has done better fighting off Putin than literally anyone else ever. That’s an undeniable fact.
So Stewart should run. Because he’s the closest thing to competent who’s popular enough to win we’ll likely ever get again.
Correct, Jon Stewart is a populist that could totally win. I would almost say it is his patriotic duty to run. As Donald Trump shows, you don’t actually have to do anything once you are in the office, lol.
The election is a popularity contest, so skill has almost nothing to do with it.
I mean, ideally we shouldn’t be just running celebrities but after 8 months of this shit I don’t give a fuck anymore. Mentally I am here:
If it works I literally could not care less. Clearly the people want vibes so let’s just give them the fucking vibes and deal with THAT issue when things aren’t actively on fire.
Whatever else Stewart is, he’s knowledgeable, charismatic, willing to fight for a cause, and DOES genuinely seem to give a fuck about the average person. That’s a damn good start at least.
And all of THAT is even under the assumption we get something at least vaguely resembling a normal election, which at this point I think is entirely dependent on when exactly Diddler on the Roof finally strokes out on the shitter.
Well, the Ukrainians elected a comedian and got a true leader.
Zelenskyy did it. Ukraine would no longer exist as a sovereign nation today if he didn’t; it would have been entirely annexed into Russia right now.
Exactly. In the US right now, only a comedian is capable of getting the joke. It works everywhere else it’s been tried. Vote Stewart!
Nice! How could I have forgotten this guy? Great reference
How did real life end up more grimdark than Watchmen?
It’d be a better analog if everything else Zelenskyy has done as president wasn’t eclipsed by Russia invading. Would he have been considered a good president if that hadn’t happened? We’ll never know.
He stepped up as a leader when his nation needed him. That is one of the best qualities to have. Anything else is just whatsboutism that can be applied to anyone.
Nobody is questioning his bravery or accomplishments, but peacetime politics require particular skills.
The US is in far from normal times. It may not be a military war (yet) but this sure as hell isn’t “peacetime”
Would he have been considered a good president if that hadn’t happened? We’ll never know.
A quick glance back shows very much no. However, he stepped up for the war.
I’m curious why you didn’t think he was a good president.
He made a lot of very popular moves between 2019 and 2022.
I mean, Trump did it and he was a fucking TV clown. The bar is really, really, reaaaaaaally low for who can become the next US president.
Jon could absolutely destroy anyone on a debate stage. Mainly because it’s a popularity contest, and he’s spent his entire life learning to be popular on screen and stage. He’s also a smart guy with great insight into a lot of situations.
None of that means he would be a good president. It’s a different set of skills.
The bottom line though, would he be better than the alternative? And I hear what you’re saying. Those nazi crack monkey’s put on a hell of a show, how could Jon possibly do a better job? I’m not sure, but given the option, I think I’d give him a shot.
I think the Jon for president thing is copium, but to be fair Jon does have two of the most important traits in a president: conviction and a good bullshit detector. Whether he’d be able to do the day to day work aside, there’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t be able to lead the country in a better direction in a big picture sense.
I think Jon would have the intelligence and humility to have very qualified, intelligent people to advise and challenge him.
My only concern for him is he would take it very seriously, and not be able to let anything go. He would burn himself out hard in 4 years.
most important traits in a president: conviction
And not in the way that Trump has convictions.
He would mop the floor at the debates but I’m not sure debates matter anymore. I remember “they’re eating the cats” not mattering as much as it should have.
He’s too conciliatory to win debates. He’d have to seriously change his personality because I don’t think he likes face to face conflict, given how he softballs interviews with asshats like Jeffries.
He softballs when he wants to get more guests. If he goes after every politician, they all run and hide. To see him actually debate you have to see him off his own show. He’s given very compelling addresses to congress as well.
And seriously, he’s one of the most popular TV personalities in the country. What you’re saying is you don’t like Taylor Swift’s music, so she must be a shitty entertainer. Maybe you’re just not the target audience?
Watch him mop the floor with Tucker on Crossfire.
I remember seeing that and it was funny, but arguing Tucker on ethics is like arguing quantum mechanics with a microencephalic.
It’s so cute that Americans think there will be a 2028 election.
There will be.
If not… We have guns.
which people have already proven they won’t use
I just snorted coffee out my nose.
You’re funny.
And? What are you going to do with them? You’re a bunch of video-game addicted Cheetos-eating lifted-truck drivers living in a dream world.
You’re not going to do shit.
You ok?
Fantastic! Better than our silly American friends who just spent decades wagging their fingers at the rest of the planet about the superiority of the American Way and American Exceptionalism. Exceptionally violent, brutal, hypocritical, and dangerous, sure. Me? I can go for a walk without being strapped up, or worrying about a hospital bill. You?
Fuck off, some of us have to live this bullshit.
As a gun owning leftist nothing will happen, republicans have exposed this, sure they had their lunatics show up for jan 6th. But the average person is to busy trying to just get by, and provide for their families. combined with the fact the United States is huge what do you even try to take over that would have an impact?
Republicans have learned turning democracy into a dictatorship with nothing but yes men is the only way
A lot of people here are condemning celebrity in US politics, and I get it… but at this point in time we might need someone who is already famous yet consistent and trustworthy. Stewart has shown himself to be a good person for decades. He’s also politically informed, progressive, and whip smart.
We need a candidate who wants real change for the betterment of the working class. Somehow people thought that was Trump… I guess because he said he would be, a few times? And people were hoping hard? And not looking at his track record at all? Also racism? More importantly though: people didn’t think that candidate was Harris, who got pushed through by the Democratic party and ran an uninspiring campaign. Those people didn’t vote. Those people were excited about candidates like Bernie, who’s track record on class issues is indefatigable. Those people could potentially be excited about Jon Stewart tearing shit down for the actually betterment of the poor, and might trust that he would try.
That’s my read, anyway. A Mamdani could come along and stir up some real enthusiasm, but I think it’s harder for a no-name without a proven record to win a national election. Last time that happened we ended up with Obama, and people still feel burned by his lack of progressive action.
I love Jon Stewart as much as the next guy. I think he could do a better job than Trump is doing, but that’s setting a very low bar. Surely there’s someone more qualified than comedy news host John Stewart.
Zelenskyy was also a comedian, they are both pretty smart.
I’d normally say “hells no, stop electing celebrities!” but this is a person who is actually politically informed (savvy even) and at this point possibly bthenonoy person why might get the US out of this miserable shit it’s in and on to a path towards an actual representative democracy.
If anything, Jon Stewart might be the only person able to get the US to stop electing celebrities in the first place
So yeah, Jon 2028!
Let’s not forget his relentless lobbying in congress and the senate for the first responders of 9/11. He had the balls to tell politicians the truth without sugar and never gave up because it was the right thing to do and he could.
I want to say no celebrities or billionaires so badly, but if you believe that nearly ALL politicians are irredeemably corrupt, then that’s where we have to go for the people with the money and/or name recognition to win.
If you are going to vote for someone other than a politician, than an intelligent person who has spent the last couple of decades closely following politics and commenting on it every night might be a good option, provided they have the morals for it. I generally don’t think much of the morals of billionaires or celebrities, but they’re far better than MAGAs. At least they aren’t enthusiastic traitors and pedophiles.
Well… Ideally, politics would be a boring job. Make small incremental improvements. No political parties, just guys (and gals and whatnot more) that can put themselves to be elected, and when elected, they get to do, a job for a few years or so. After that, they can go back to whatever else they want to do.
It should be boring
Hell, people shouldn’t put themselves on a list to be elected, let’s just pick a guy and if you’re tagged, you’re it for a year or so
Requirements are that you have at least studies in the subject matter and have 10 years experience in the field.
I dunno, I’m just writing silly ideas here but anything is better than all the political systems we have now
Eh, I trust Stewart’s motivations, but not necessarily his judgment. I listened to him interview Ezra Klein and Stewart fell for his neoliberal Abundance bullshit without any pushback of critical thought. I could see him getting led astray by some of the same Democratic hacks that destroyed the party.
Yes, yes, yes. He’s not just a TV show host. He legitimately puts his time, money, and reputation where his mouth is. I have a lot of respect for Jon Stewart as a person with moral character, intelligence, and influence. I would advocate forcing him into the election even if he doesn’t want it. In fact, that he doesn’t want it is all the more reason to push. We need someone like him desperately.
Anybody that doesn’t want the job is imminently more qualified that anybody who does in my opinion.
The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.
To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.
To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
– Some hoopy frood
Simple solution, we execute every president as they leave office! Secondary solution, we vote on whether to not execute the president as they leave office, 2/3rds majority needed to abstain the execution
I couldn’t remember if they was Douglas Adams or Kurt Vonnegut. Both work
They both were rather hoopy
I’d want someone to represent the populace, not the power. I’d want them to be competent in how society works more so than how money works. I’d want them to have both compassion and charisma. Changes should piss off the minority of the electorate, not the majority. Change should be progressive and forward thinking not the old…“How can we capitalize on this and produce a revenue stream?”. I don’t care if they are famous or not. That being said, I do like to be entertained. I am really tired of the sell, sell, sell business shit that goes on nowadays. Hell, you can’t even write and perform a nice pop song anymore without automatically having a new scent and a clothing line. Hawks everywhere, picking apart the dying corpse of mother earth.
But we like Jon Stewart. Why ruin a good thing?
Why the fuck not
Better a political commentator then a movie and reality TV star.
Whoa, this thread has the most comments I’ve ever seen on Lemmy, I think.
